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RoommatesAug 24, 2009


Can anyone offer insight please?

We have two board members who adamantly insist that we impose a surcharge on shareholders with a roommate. This,after subjecting a prospective roommate to an interview process by the board.

It is my understanding that the NY Roommate Law applies to coops as well. I am also concerned about liability issues with privacy as a result.

Also, the shareholder body currently subsides the additional costs when new children are born into the building. Why can't a single person have another living with them?

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Re: Roommates - Anonymous Aug 24, 2009


New York Roommate Law, you can't charge them. Don't you have a management company and don't you ask them their thoughts...You are paying them, ask them! If not them ask your lawyer!

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no fee allowed by law - sally Aug 25, 2009


they cannot do that. period. it is illegal. the roommate law allows you one person - in fact you can also have a domestic servants there so that makes tow people. tell them in writing not to bother you or you will consider it harassement.

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Roommates - Board Prez Aug 24, 2009


Listen to Anonymous - he is correct and your two board members are inviting legal action. The Roommate Law, as well as ALL housing laws apply to co-ops.

If those two board members will not listen to you, your manager or your attorneys, I hope you have an election coming soon.

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Roommates - RLM Aug 25, 2009


Agree completely with all negative responses. The Roommate Law holds precedence over your Board's desire for $$$.

Your Board Members have not done their due diligence -- shame on them! They need to familiarize themselves with NYC laws on habitation so this kind of time-wasting and mean-spirited nonsense never even comes up.

People who serve on the Board need to understand what Fiduciary Responsibility is right off the bat - no agendas, no personal biases, no special favors, no vendettas. Anyone who serves on a cooperative board needs rational, levelheaded and clear thought processes or they can put a co-op into real trouble, real fast.

If you have a Managing Agent, make sure they get asked for advice, and make sure they're not just pacifying the loudest members of the Board to keep the business. If needed, consult the Board Attorney, who'll put a stop to this kind of action once and for all.

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Roommates - CDT Aug 25, 2009


Lots of good answers here, and I agree with all of them. Just two additional points:

(1) Your two Board members may claim that the Proprietary Lease says they have the right to interview roommates or impose surcharges, and they may even be correct. But this doesn't matter: the Roommate Law trumps the Lease. The Board has no right to screen roommates or to impose any charges for roommates, and they are inviting serious legal consequences by trying to do so.

(2) The Roommate Law does *not* cover the case where the shareholder moves out and lets one of his relatives or friends live in the apartment. That's a sublet, and the Board does indeed have control over that case.

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Roommates - RLM Aug 26, 2009


CDT had good additions. I missed the first time that the Board is "interviewing" and "screening" roommates - totally against the Roommate Law and you'd better hope no one sues who wasn't accepted.

Hope you've shared these responses with your two BMs who are badly mistaken.

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Roommates - new spin - Riverdale Aug 29, 2009


This has been an interesting conversation, and we have a new spin on this. A shareholder in our coop sublet his apartment to two people, who were Board-approved & moved in. Now one of them has moved out. This is a situation for the shareholder whose apartment it is (will the remaining person be able to pay?), but can the remaining sublessee bring in anyone as a Roommate without that person being interviewed?

What's the proper procedure? Thank you.

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Re: Roommates under a sublease - CDT Aug 29, 2009


Interesting question about replacing a roommate under a sublease! My guess: If at least one person whose name appears on the sublease remains in the apartment, then the Roommate Law would apply and the replacement roommate would not need Board approval. Think of the base case where there is originally no roommate at all: one would expect the Roommate Law to allow the addition of a roommate without approval.

However, this could be completely wrong. With the shareholder out of the apartment, the Board has much more control. Ask a lawyer and let us all know the answer....

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Roommates - new spin - Riverdale Aug 30, 2009


Thank you CDT! I'm not sure if the shareholder even knows about it yet -- it just happened on Friday. Yesterday I phoned and left a message to call me back. I'll keep you all posted on this interesting turn of events!

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Roommates new spin - Riverdale Sep 06, 2009


Just to follow up, no one on the board wants to know if the remaining sublessee gets a new roommate. Said it's none of our business. And so it goes.

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