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Wax RingJul 15, 2008


Who is responsible for the wax ring, flange or lead bend repair and subsequent repair to bathroom tile floor?

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Bathroom floor - AdC Jul 19, 2008


Unless you damaged the bathroom subflfoor for which you are responsible, you may repair the tiles with common original tiles to provide evenness when setting the toilet. Remember, tiles are the responsibility of the shareholder as it is not co-op responsibility. The co-op is responsible for subflooring. This is an area of great misunderstanding and sensitivity when a floor is chopped or damaged and expensive tiles or flooring are placed by shareholders. Shareholders need to have extra tiles for contingency situations such as the one you describe.

However, watchout for double tiles, i.e., a tile floor placed on top of the original tile in the bathroom. This is a shortcut that creates problems. In other words, the new tile may have elevated the floor under the toilet and created a separation between the toilet and flange that now requires a double wax ring. This problem sometimes creates water leaks.

Another shortcut that you may see is the second flooring was placed around the toilet, i.e., the tile person did not remove the toilet to place the second flooring, thus surrounded the toilet with the new tiles. If these surrounding tiles around the toilet were chopped to remove and reset the toilet, I would refuse doing anything. After all why take responsibility for shoddy work. In my view, a shareholder short changed the work with unprofessional work. Thus, they should pay the consequences of a poor election.

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Bathroom floor - West Cty Board Member Jul 20, 2008


Thanks ADC. Are you saying that the Corp does not have to replace the floor tiles?, just provide a level surface for the new tiles to be adhered to? When we change shower bodies, we replace the tile-why the difference?

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Bathroom floor - AdC Jul 20, 2008


I said, "you may repair the tiles with common original tiles to provide evenness when setting the toilet". If the shareholder has stock of the expensive tiles and you are using a contractor or someone to repair the chopped floor, rather than using common tile, you use what the shareholder supplies. However, the co-op should not pay for fancy tiles. The shareholder should be able to claim the loss through their its personal insurance.

Regarding your shower body, the answer is the same. To replace a shower body, your plumber needs to break the wall behid the tiles and break at least 8 to 10 tiles. Once the shower body is changed, you need to repair the wall behind the tile and you only need to cover with common tile. If the shareholder used fancy tiles, he should claim the loss through personal property insurance or provide the person who will restore the wall behind theh tile with the fancy tile to complete the job.

Remember, if there is a water leak that is determined to be part of coop responsibility and the wall was covered with a very expensive wallpaper or special decorative paint, the co-op is only responsible to repair the damage in a professional manner and prime the wall, but is not required to replace the wallpaper or repaint the wall in the original decorative manner. The shareholder claims damages through personal insurance.

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Toilet plumbing - AdC Jul 17, 2008


The wax ring is shareholder's responsibility. Why? Because without a wax ring, a toilet (shareholder owned fixture) cannot be set into the lead bend. The wax ring acts like a gasket.

The lead bend - This is infrastructure. Connects the stack with the hole on the floor of the bathroom. The led bend is securted to the floor of the bathroom with the flange. When the lead bend fails, the co-op replaces it and changes the wax ring at no cost to the shareholder.. Please note that the toilet must be removed so that the new lead bend is fastened to the flange.


Flange - Co-op responsibility. This is the end of the infrastructure plumbing. I"t "grabs" the lead bend and secures it to the floor of the bathroom.


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